St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by ElijahW » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:39 pm

NTS,

I remeasured the two tallest pines in Hancock today. Both did well last year; they now stand at 156.0’ and 153.4’, respectively. Any change in circumference was not discernible.

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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by ElijahW » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:05 pm

NTS,

I remeasured the two tallest White Pines at St. Paul's Cemetery today. They now stand at 157.1' and 154.2', respectively. I aim to measure these trees annually to see how their growth progresses. In a couple of years, more pines in this stand should reach the 150' mark; when they do, I'll add them in here.

Elijah
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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by Erik Danielsen » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:14 pm

Very impressive that a pine from this unassuming site has budged its way up into NY's top 10 for height like this. I think it says a lot about how many sites would potentially have 160'+ white pines if it weren't for the history of clearing and converting land to other uses.

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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NYE

Post by Larry Tucei » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:33 am

Elijah- Congratulations on your finds. I love White Pine it is such a Majestic looking specimen. All the Whites that I have measured are in northern Wisconsin. Your photos could pass for Wisconsin or Michigan so similar. Way cool! The 150+ class of White Pine is a milestone. I only measured a few over 150 at Cathedral Pines northeastern Wis. back in 2012-13 I believe. Larry

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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by ElijahW » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:21 pm

Erik, Larry,

Thanks. I had no idea how much White Pine grows in the Delaware River watershed until I started exploring the area a few years ago. I think the size and heights within virgin pine stands may have matched those in the Adirondacks, except for perhaps the best the upper- and mid-Hudson River nourished.

Elijah
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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by ElijahW » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:25 pm

NTS,

I revisited the Hancock Pines today and remeasured the tallest two. Here's where they're at:

White Pine 1: 158.2' (+13" this growing season)
White Pine 2: 154.9' (+9" this growing season)

Elijah
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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by ElijahW » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:04 pm

NTS,

This morning I paid another visit to St. Paul's and checked on the super pines (and other nice trees) growing there. Everything is doing well, though the pine heights have dropped a bit since last September; I plan to remeasure these trees after this growing season to double check my numbers under different weather conditions.

Here's where we stand:

Eastern White Pine Pinus strobus

157.7' x 8.66' (-6")
154.7' x 9.31' (-3")
151.8' x 7.31' (new tree)

Norway Spruce Picea abies

125.2' x 7.37'

Blue Spruce Picea pungens

101.6' x 7.04' (-17")
95.6' x 9.60' (new tree)

White Spruce Picea glauca

95.8' x 5.44'

Sawara Cypress Chamaecyparis pisifera

80.3' (multiple trunks)

Northern Catalpa Catalpa speciosa

81.1' x 13.58'

Elijah

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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by Erik Danielsen » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:43 am

Interesting that the pines were slightly less tall on this occasion. It has been a particularly dry stretch of weeks- tree limbs and twigs are known to subtly become more droopy or more erect due to changes in water pressure within the cambium cells. There are some time-lapse videos online of trees sort of showing a "pulse" over the course of a given day. I wonder if low moisture availability is causing the upper limbs and twigs of these trees to droop a few inches relative to their height last time they were measured?

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Re: St. Paul's Cemetery, Hancock, NY

Post by ElijahW » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:50 pm

Erik,

These were my thoughts, as well. The needles and small limbs were visibly droopy, although the trees looked to be in overall good health. The 154’ pine lost one of its tops, though not the highest one. When compared to earlier photos, the 157’ pine’s top appears unchanged. The slope distance is over 400’, and my eyes may be deceiving me; a cold-weather remeasure will help clear things up.

Elijah

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