Allegany State Park's Trackless West
- Erik Danielsen
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Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Allegany State Park is a pretty big place. It's been mentioned many times in literature on stands of old-growth remaining in the east, particularly the Big Basin section. However, unlike the Adirondacks or Pennsylvania's Allegheny National Forest, ASP has seen relatively little ENTS-style documentation. I'm now a couple visits into investigating the forests of Allegany's peaks and valleys, and from what I've found so far it's clear that the work has only just begun.
A friend and fellow tree-measurer tipped me off last year to some superlative old growth located in the Crick's Run drainage in the west-central portion of the park. Examining maps of the area I noticed that of all the sections of the park, this portion is the least accessed by trails and infrastructure (check out the trail map; the section I'm talking about is where I drew a big blue X). I like to call this section, bounded mostly by Route 86, Bay State Road, English-Stoddard Road, and ASP RT 3, ASP's "Trackless West." I visited on 10/20/2017 and again on 10/21. On the following map, "P" designates the sites where I parked, to the west the first day to access site A up Crick's Run, and to the east on the second day to access site B above Bay State Brook. Holts Run Road is mapped but not open to vehicle traffic, and mostly nonexistent. The terrain and vegetation are complex with mixed disturbance histories; I'd like to expand posts with details from my notes in the future but will stick to the main findings, measurements, and photos for tonight. At site A, having ascended Crick's Run through enjoyable hemlock-northern hardwoods intergrading with oak-hickory forests on many of the slopes, a pair of parallel tributaries trace a ravine upstream into a stand of old-growth hemlock, with scattered hardwoods. Measurements within that section are listed. To the south above this ravine mixed old-growth hemlock-northern hardwoods forest (in which I did not measure, but should in the future) follow the slope up to an abrupt transition, where just before the 2000' isoline (visible on the topo) the composition shifts into what I'd classify as an oak-tuliptree forest type, seemingly a bit younger but with many old trees, perhaps representing an area where the loss of american chestnut nearly a century ago had a particularly pronounced impact. Further upstream from the old-growth hemlock stand, just to the east below that transition zone, is a more open old-growth hardwood stand with some sugar maple but heavily dominated by white ash, which I'm calling the "Ash Basin."
Hemlock Stand Data:
Tuliptree
121.5' 8.3'cbh
Eastern Hemlock
116' 8.3'cbh
111.5' 6.7'cbh
White Ash
115.5' 7.1'cbh
Black Cherry
114.5' 8.2'cbh
Northern Red Oak
102' 7.4'cbh
Black Birch very old specimen, few in vicinity
97.5' 6.0'cbh
Striped Maple
21' 0.59'cbh Ash Basin Data:
White Ash
123.5' 8.2'cbh
123' 10.4'cbh very impressive tree
107.5' 8.8'cbh
Sugar Maple
107.5' 9.5'cbh
At site B, after a brief hike in through a younger poplar-hornbeam-serviceberry forest in which the latter two species were honestly pretty impressive, then a jaunt through nice northern hardwoods second-growth, crossing a small ravine and getting up onto the steep slope finds you in more hemlock-northern hardwoods old growth. Perhaps due to the slope orientation, the heights here seem to be more impressive than in the west-facing site A. Absolute size and age potential is probably limited by the steepness of the slope, but old, tall trees are abundant and nothing suggests and serious attempts to harvest timber from this slope in the past. Just like the slope above site A, at just below the 2000' isoline the forest transitions into an oak-tuliptree type, where white oak, chestnut oak, cucumbertree, and hickories, which had been scarce or absent on the slope, become common.
Site B Slope Forest Data
White Ash
134' 7.7'cbh
126.5' double
125' 9.1'cbh
120.5' 6.3'cbh
Tuliptree all specimens in a cluster within hemlock stand, probably seeded from oak-tulip area above into a natural gap, clearly a single age cohort
127.5' 6.9'cbh
125' 6.1'cbh
116' 6.8'cbh
115' 8.3'cbh (double)
Eastern Hemlock
124' 7.3'cbh
122' 7.3'cbh
122' 7.0'cbh
121.5' 7.5'cbh
120.5' 10.0'cbh very impressive tree near base of slope
118' 8.4'cbh
Black Cherry
123.5' 10.0'cbh Larger crown than most other black cherries on slope
113' 8.1'cbh
113' 6.5'cbh
Northern Red Oak
117' 6.7'cbh
114' 9.6'cbh
106' 9.8'cbh
Red Maple
112.5' 8.8'cbh
Cucumber Magnolia
112.5' 7.1'cbh
Black Birch
110.5' 6.5'cbh
Sugar Maple definitely larger sugars present, just happened to mostly skip this species on this visit
110' large stem far above on opposite side of ravine
American Basswood
110' 4.8'cbh
106' 5.5'cbh
American Beech very few large beech present, but according to old botanical surveys this was a previously dominant species. Loss of beech may have had a significant impact on forest composition, as had the loss of chestnut and heavy selective harvest of large hemlocks for tanbark.
103' 9.1'cbh
Striped Maple many additional impressive specimens unmeasured
47' 1.5'cbh
38.5' 1.3'cbh Oak-Tulip Forest Data
Tuliptree
132.5' 6.1'cbh
130.5' 6.9'cbh
130' 7.8'cbh
Northern Red Oak
120.5' 8.0'cbh
Shagbark Hickory
113.5' 4.8'cbh
Chestnut Oak
110.5' 5.6'cbh
White Oak
110' 5.8'cbh
107.5' 5.9'cbh
103.5' 8.8'cbh large tree with spreading crown right above steeper slope section
Cucumber Magnolia
104.5' 7.5'cbh On my first visit I took a much longer bushwack route into the old growth than necessary, limiting what I had time to do. On the second visit the route was much more efficient, but I hit high-quality old-growth much earlier than expected and became so engrossed that I hardly covered any of the territory I had initially intended. On the topo map, "?" marks indicate promising locations with similar characteristics in aerial imagery to the old-growth sections I've already visited. Quite an exciting place! RHI is 119.4 so far and sure to rise. I have yet to properly measure any white pine but they are scattered throughout, and hemlock and many of the hardwoods do promise even greater heights.
A friend and fellow tree-measurer tipped me off last year to some superlative old growth located in the Crick's Run drainage in the west-central portion of the park. Examining maps of the area I noticed that of all the sections of the park, this portion is the least accessed by trails and infrastructure (check out the trail map; the section I'm talking about is where I drew a big blue X). I like to call this section, bounded mostly by Route 86, Bay State Road, English-Stoddard Road, and ASP RT 3, ASP's "Trackless West." I visited on 10/20/2017 and again on 10/21. On the following map, "P" designates the sites where I parked, to the west the first day to access site A up Crick's Run, and to the east on the second day to access site B above Bay State Brook. Holts Run Road is mapped but not open to vehicle traffic, and mostly nonexistent. The terrain and vegetation are complex with mixed disturbance histories; I'd like to expand posts with details from my notes in the future but will stick to the main findings, measurements, and photos for tonight. At site A, having ascended Crick's Run through enjoyable hemlock-northern hardwoods intergrading with oak-hickory forests on many of the slopes, a pair of parallel tributaries trace a ravine upstream into a stand of old-growth hemlock, with scattered hardwoods. Measurements within that section are listed. To the south above this ravine mixed old-growth hemlock-northern hardwoods forest (in which I did not measure, but should in the future) follow the slope up to an abrupt transition, where just before the 2000' isoline (visible on the topo) the composition shifts into what I'd classify as an oak-tuliptree forest type, seemingly a bit younger but with many old trees, perhaps representing an area where the loss of american chestnut nearly a century ago had a particularly pronounced impact. Further upstream from the old-growth hemlock stand, just to the east below that transition zone, is a more open old-growth hardwood stand with some sugar maple but heavily dominated by white ash, which I'm calling the "Ash Basin."
Hemlock Stand Data:
Tuliptree
121.5' 8.3'cbh
Eastern Hemlock
116' 8.3'cbh
111.5' 6.7'cbh
White Ash
115.5' 7.1'cbh
Black Cherry
114.5' 8.2'cbh
Northern Red Oak
102' 7.4'cbh
Black Birch very old specimen, few in vicinity
97.5' 6.0'cbh
Striped Maple
21' 0.59'cbh Ash Basin Data:
White Ash
123.5' 8.2'cbh
123' 10.4'cbh very impressive tree
107.5' 8.8'cbh
Sugar Maple
107.5' 9.5'cbh
At site B, after a brief hike in through a younger poplar-hornbeam-serviceberry forest in which the latter two species were honestly pretty impressive, then a jaunt through nice northern hardwoods second-growth, crossing a small ravine and getting up onto the steep slope finds you in more hemlock-northern hardwoods old growth. Perhaps due to the slope orientation, the heights here seem to be more impressive than in the west-facing site A. Absolute size and age potential is probably limited by the steepness of the slope, but old, tall trees are abundant and nothing suggests and serious attempts to harvest timber from this slope in the past. Just like the slope above site A, at just below the 2000' isoline the forest transitions into an oak-tuliptree type, where white oak, chestnut oak, cucumbertree, and hickories, which had been scarce or absent on the slope, become common.
Site B Slope Forest Data
White Ash
134' 7.7'cbh
126.5' double
125' 9.1'cbh
120.5' 6.3'cbh
Tuliptree all specimens in a cluster within hemlock stand, probably seeded from oak-tulip area above into a natural gap, clearly a single age cohort
127.5' 6.9'cbh
125' 6.1'cbh
116' 6.8'cbh
115' 8.3'cbh (double)
Eastern Hemlock
124' 7.3'cbh
122' 7.3'cbh
122' 7.0'cbh
121.5' 7.5'cbh
120.5' 10.0'cbh very impressive tree near base of slope
118' 8.4'cbh
Black Cherry
123.5' 10.0'cbh Larger crown than most other black cherries on slope
113' 8.1'cbh
113' 6.5'cbh
Northern Red Oak
117' 6.7'cbh
114' 9.6'cbh
106' 9.8'cbh
Red Maple
112.5' 8.8'cbh
Cucumber Magnolia
112.5' 7.1'cbh
Black Birch
110.5' 6.5'cbh
Sugar Maple definitely larger sugars present, just happened to mostly skip this species on this visit
110' large stem far above on opposite side of ravine
American Basswood
110' 4.8'cbh
106' 5.5'cbh
American Beech very few large beech present, but according to old botanical surveys this was a previously dominant species. Loss of beech may have had a significant impact on forest composition, as had the loss of chestnut and heavy selective harvest of large hemlocks for tanbark.
103' 9.1'cbh
Striped Maple many additional impressive specimens unmeasured
47' 1.5'cbh
38.5' 1.3'cbh Oak-Tulip Forest Data
Tuliptree
132.5' 6.1'cbh
130.5' 6.9'cbh
130' 7.8'cbh
Northern Red Oak
120.5' 8.0'cbh
Shagbark Hickory
113.5' 4.8'cbh
Chestnut Oak
110.5' 5.6'cbh
White Oak
110' 5.8'cbh
107.5' 5.9'cbh
103.5' 8.8'cbh large tree with spreading crown right above steeper slope section
Cucumber Magnolia
104.5' 7.5'cbh On my first visit I took a much longer bushwack route into the old growth than necessary, limiting what I had time to do. On the second visit the route was much more efficient, but I hit high-quality old-growth much earlier than expected and became so engrossed that I hardly covered any of the territory I had initially intended. On the topo map, "?" marks indicate promising locations with similar characteristics in aerial imagery to the old-growth sections I've already visited. Quite an exciting place! RHI is 119.4 so far and sure to rise. I have yet to properly measure any white pine but they are scattered throughout, and hemlock and many of the hardwoods do promise even greater heights.
Last edited by Erik Danielsen on Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:08 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Erik,
Very impressive start to your survey. Though you tried to hide it, I did spot the 110’ Black birch. Bob will appreciate seeing that, I’m sure. I’ll look forward to seeing what you find next. Is that a Jack-in-the-pulpit next to the fern?
Elijah
Very impressive start to your survey. Though you tried to hide it, I did spot the 110’ Black birch. Bob will appreciate seeing that, I’m sure. I’ll look forward to seeing what you find next. Is that a Jack-in-the-pulpit next to the fern?
Elijah
"There is nothing in the world to equal the forest as nature made it. The finest formal forest, the most magnificent artificially grown woods, cannot compare with the grandeur of primeval woodland." Bob Marshall, Recreational Limitations to Silviculture in the Adirondacks
- Erik Danielsen
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Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Hah! I'm not trying to hide anything! I do, however, need to start reformatting the measurement spreadsheets to be a bit more accessible at a glance. I've been trying to save time by just screenshotting my data sheets but typing the numbers out in the post, with underlined headers for each species does make for a nicer-looking post
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Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Original post revised for easier reading, and with some added notes including (what else?) an ambiguous hickory.
Elijah, I see the resemblance in the little plant you note. To give a sense of scale the fertile frond of that fern is no more than 4 or 5 inches tall. The suspicious plant appears to be an ash seedling with another withered leaf stuck to its stem.
As it turns out, there is a several-hundred-page botanical survey of the park from the 1940s available as a free pdf online, complete with quite a lot of black-and-white photographs. Lots of good leads in this document. While I intend to stick to this "trackless west" before moving on to other parts of the park, I have also been informed that there is a healthy stand of mature american chestnuts hiding somewhere in here, its location a closely held secret.
Elijah, I see the resemblance in the little plant you note. To give a sense of scale the fertile frond of that fern is no more than 4 or 5 inches tall. The suspicious plant appears to be an ash seedling with another withered leaf stuck to its stem.
As it turns out, there is a several-hundred-page botanical survey of the park from the 1940s available as a free pdf online, complete with quite a lot of black-and-white photographs. Lots of good leads in this document. While I intend to stick to this "trackless west" before moving on to other parts of the park, I have also been informed that there is a healthy stand of mature american chestnuts hiding somewhere in here, its location a closely held secret.
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Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Erik- Super report such detail! The Black Cherry is impressive as is the Sugar Maple. I can't recall many much taller than either one. The Ash are also very tall and on the Pignut Hickory. The nuts are a little larger than the red with a bulged point on the end of the nut.
What a beautiful Forest lots to discover there. Larry- Erik Danielsen
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Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Thanks for the image, Larry. Based on that I'm leaning even more towards Red Hickory. While I didn't find any leaves with more than 5 leaflets, I had a hard time finding any leaves at all, as most were still attached to the tree. Here are a few images of the leaves and fruits if anyone else wants to weigh in. I suppose a third possibility would be a very un-shaggy shagbark, but the fruits seemed too small and the leaves too small and insufficiently hairy on the rachis.
Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Maybe if you said pretty-please-with-a-cherry-on-top and promised to clean your shoes with bleach before hand? And bring us some pictures?Erik Danielsen wrote: I have also been informed that there is a healthy stand of mature american chestnuts hiding somewhere in here, its location a closely held secret.
Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
https://ia601701.us.archive.org/18/item ... 00gord.pdfErik Danielsen wrote:
As it turns out, there is a several-hundred-page botanical survey of the park from the 1940s available as a free pdf online, complete with quite a lot of black-and-white photographs. Lots of good leads in this document.
This one?
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Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
A good report. An exciting place! I love hearing about places like this. Who knows what has been missed in there?
http://www.ancientforests.us/OldGrowthNY.htm
Surveyed in 95.
Even though it is a state park, I assume, it is still can be logged, etc.
http://www.ancientforests.us/OldGrowthNY.htm
Surveyed in 95.
Even though it is a state park, I assume, it is still can be logged, etc.
Last edited by Lucas on Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:38 pm, edited 3 times in total.
We travel the Milky way together, trees and men. - John Muir
Re: Allegany State Park's Trackless West
Held by who? The American Chestnut Foundation?Erik Danielsen wrote: I have also been informed that there is a healthy stand of mature american chestnuts hiding somewhere in here, its location a closely held secret.
I would love to hunt them up but at a 100 sq miles the park is a big place. From the air in bloom time would be the best bet.
We travel the Milky way together, trees and men. - John Muir