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Lucas
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Post by Lucas » Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:59 am

https://www.facebook.com/groups/nativet ... y/?fref=ts

I just joined facebook, possibly to my regret.

I see the analogue site to here and was wondering what the differences are?

Seems to be a different crew with different approaches.
We travel the Milky way together, trees and men. - John Muir

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Re: Facebook

Post by John Harvey » Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:02 pm

There are some cross over people like myself that use this site and the FB page as well. I think the FB page is less about technique and specifics as it reaches a broader audience of people from conservationist to hikers and even tree workers.
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East Coast and West Coast Big Tree Hunter

"If you look closely at a tree you'll notice it's knots and dead branches, just like our bodies. What we learn is that beauty and imperfection go together wonderfully." - Matt Fox

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Re: Facebook

Post by Erik Danielsen » Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:10 pm

The facebook page is derived from this group, but does include a lot of members who seem to have joined and become active commenters without familiarizing at all with the original mission of NTS. That's not necessarily a problem when it comes to more general sharing of interesting tree information, but conversations do occasionally turn to questions about measuring trees, in which there are usually multiple commenters espousing variations on tangent method, or even stick method, who have not even heard of NTS Sine method. So it's a mixed bag. Those conversations do often end up being educational, fortunately.

For some reason that facebook group attracts more spam postings of pornography than any other group I'm in. Wrong type of wood, that's for sure.

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Re: Facebook

Post by Lucas » Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:38 pm

Is there any other ENTS presence on the web or is that it?
We travel the Milky way together, trees and men. - John Muir

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Re: Facebook

Post by dbhguru » Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:53 am

Lucas,

Erik summarizes the NTS FB group well. I expect we would both agree that FB is a social media not meant for serious explorations of topics with depth. I would like to think the that the NTS FB group serves a useful albeit limited purpose. We originally thought that the FB group would pull people into the BBS, but with exceptions, those attracted to FB interactions are not attracted to the more in-depth discussions we have on the BBS.

The NTS website, NTS BBS, and NTS FB group represents our Internet presence other than reference to our work spread throughout many sources. Oh yes, Ed Frank did put together a Wikipedia discussion of tree measuring methods. I suppose it could be included as part of the formal NTS presence.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
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Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest
Co-founder, National Cadre

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Re: Facebook

Post by edfrank » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:14 pm

NTS,

I would disagree about the spam/porn comment. As someone who is a member of many many groups on Facebook, the Native Tree Society group is one of the cleanest in regards to the number of spam/porn posts and they are dealt with quickly and to a great degree I resent the comment. The Facebook group is for people who are interested in trees, but not passionate about the science or aesthetics of trees and the forest. I created the Facebook group to better share among tree enthusiasts things that are happening in the news, in the moment, and to share links to posts related to trees whether humorous or deeply thoughtful. With 3,615 members it is a remarkably on topic and spam lite Facebook Group. The pinned message at the top of the group refers people to this BBS if they want deeper discussions.

I created this BBS to provide both an archive and a forum for our tree discussions, the science and measurement discussions in particular. The BBS is for people who are more interested in science and serious discussions rather than the news of the day.

I wrote the Wikipedia articles to give people who searched for tree measurement techniques a comprehensive overview if the subject in the most popular web encyclopedia in the world. All of the materials in the five or six articles are well referenced with many reference links pointing back to discussion here on this BBS or on our website.

I created the Native Tree Society Website originally to serve as a searchable archive of discussions that were underway on a discussion list called Topica. I took what I thought were important information and converted them to web pages on our website. This process continued when we moved the discussion list to Google Groups. I kept up with the effort until it became overwhelming. The next step was to create this BBS as a self ordering archive of posts. The original website is maintained as an archive of older posts, and as a first introduction to the Native Tree Society with links to this current BBS.

Edward Forrest Frank
"I love science and it pains me to think that so many are terrified of the subject or feel that choosing science means you cannot also choose compassion, or the arts, or be awe by nature. Science is not meant to cure us of mystery, but to reinvent and revigorate it." by Robert M. Sapolsky

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Re: Facebook

Post by Joe » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:30 am

dbhguru wrote:
The NTS website, NTS BBS, and NTS FB group represents our Internet presence .....
Bob
Strange but true- that, when I see a particularly interesting thread on the BBS, or for example, the article in the WSJ about big tree hunters--- I show them to some of the "forestry community" here in Mass. and, so far, after years of this, have never gotten a single response- which, unfortunately, says a lot about the THAT community.
Joe

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Re: Facebook

Post by Erik Danielsen » Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:10 pm

Ed, the note about spam was not at all intended to slight the page or its administration- I've taken part myself in notifying page admin of spam posts and they are always taken down promptly- certainly at any given moment you're unlikely to see any spam there. Since everything posted there comes through on my personal news feed and I'm online frequently, I may be more likely to see it before it's taken down. Unfortunately, some level of spam is inevitable in public groups, since fake accounts will always get through. In terms of keeping on top of cleanup, the NTS facebook page is certainly top-notch.

Rather, what I find unusual and honestly a bit humorous is that it seems to be so heavily targeted by that specific type of spam as opposed to spam advertising knockoff sunglasses or pyramid schemes that I see in other groups (who often don't bother to clean them up at all). After all, our language supplies a whole slew of wood- and tree-related euphemisms relating to such content.

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