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New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:05 am
by bbeduhn
I revisited a rich cove I went to last year to check out the old growth above the second and third growth and to hopefully find a Smokies record for sweetgum. I came close with sweetgum on the flats below the rich cove and Baxter Creek but fell four feet shy on the sweetgum. A quick remeasure of the Triple Sick Sycamore yielded 159' for the tallest trunk. This was from the same vantage point as I'd used last year. I decided to head uphill to make sure I was hitting the tops. The crown is confusing because two different trunks share the crown and it's difficult to tell which twig is to which trunk as they are a little bit intertwined. After careful sorting and crown scouting, each of the two tallest trunks breaks the sycamore record.

A state record red elm resides just down the dry run from the sycamore. A likely 170' tulip resides just uphill and 143' and 136' buckeyes reside right next to it. I should have remeasured all of these. The red elm is a new find. these trees are right on the edge of second/third growth with old growth just a hundred or so yards away. The ages just below these tall trees appear to be about 60 years while the tall second growth is likely 80-90. I assume the third growth is actually second growth that had been managed as open fields for a couple of decades after the park was established. The flats were likely farmland. There are stone ruins among the flats, as well as a few relic old growth trees.

Platanus occidentalis 165.5' 163.4'
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Last year's shot
Last year's shot

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:55 am
by mdvaden
I find it interesting on new records how people posting start off with the long dialogue rather than stating what they found first. Reason I mention that is due to future searches of threads looking for numbers and measurements and comparisons, in which case is slows down finding information. It would be handy if folks would open with something like "last week, in such and such forest, we found a (species) that was 13 ft. circumference, and 80 ft. tall."

Then go on with the bushwhacking account.

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:41 am
by dbhguru
Brian,

Exciting sycamore confirmations. May I enter them in the Superlative Native Tree Database? Putting these important measurements into the database is a way of satisfying Mario Vaden's concern. Another way will be the reporting system that eventually is implemented.

Bob

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:24 pm
by Larry Tucei
Brian- Congrats on the record they don't come close to that down in the deep south. Larry

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:36 pm
by mdvaden
Larry Tucei wrote:Brian- Congrats on the record they don't come close to that down in the deep south. Larry
How close do they come down in the deep south?

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:12 pm
by Will Blozan
Brian,

I measured the tree with Dr. Stephen Sillett of "The Wild Trees" and have a photo of him standing in the fork. He was impressed! I think it was tickling 160' then, in 2010 or so. I first measured it in early 2000's at 157' i think,

Will

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:42 am
by bbeduhn
Will,
It's nice to have a record of growth increments! This trio's trunks grow so erratically while every other sycamore in the area soars straight as an arrow. As you are very much aware, but to inform others, the surrounding coves harbor many 150'-160' sycamores but none as undulating as this one. Just below it is a very thin 130' 3'9" cbh sycamore and a 147' grows just uphill from it. With the multitrunked buckeye and 170' or so tulip next to it, this spot must be among the richest spots in the east. It also has a very favorable aspect. The former tallest sycamore is in a cove that faces south/ southeast which may well be the determining factor in ultimate height as the crown suffered some die back several years ago. Time will tell if this happens to the 165' but it seems less likely with its gently sloping northerly aspect. If it can make it to 170', it 's on pace to do so in about 2022. The rough diameters on the two tallest are ~3' and ~2.5'.
Brian

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:16 am
by Don
Mario-
And here I thought you just checked them out for the photos...; ~ }
-Don

mdvaden wrote:I find it interesting on new records how people posting start off with the long dialogue rather than stating what they found first. Reason I mention that is due to future searches of threads looking for numbers and measurements and comparisons, in which case is slows down finding information. It would be handy if folks would open with something like "last week, in such and such forest, we found a (species) that was 13 ft. circumference, and 80 ft. tall."

Then go on with the bushwhacking account.

Re: New Height Record for Sycamore

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:10 am
by Will Blozan
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