Big Creek

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Re: Big Creek

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:22 am

Big creek

The creek itself has reasonably tall trees but they mostly pale in comparison to the heights in the coves. One exception is a tall, low branching chestnut oak. It doesn't appear to be as tall as it is and looks shorter than what I'd seen in the coves but the laser said otherwise. I believe this was measured by Will at 143' in 2010.
139.9' chestnut oak
139.9' chestnut oak
139.9' chestnut oak
139.9' chestnut oak
Quercus montana 139.9' 127.1'

Betula lenta 100.9'

Betula allegheniensis 86.4'
6" red salamander, measured sin/sin/laser of course!
6" red salamander, measured sin/sin/laser of course!
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Re: Big Creek

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:54 am

Mouse Creek

I fought the rhododendron for a while but gave up before I got to the awesome upper coves of Mouse Creek. I'll approach from the top next time as Will suggested, "gravity helps with rhododendron". The tulip numbers are a mixed bag as the tops vary. Some are very easy shots and some have slightly larger crowns which may or may not reveal their true tops from below. I'd read that railroad grades ran all through the cove, leading me to believe that travel would be easy but the grades are more choked with rhodo than the slopes are. I just got a handful of numbers. Tulip and bitternut do better higher up and a few coves have yet to be explored by any ENTS.

The red oak was above me on the grade I hiked on initially. I came back out on a higher grade and it reveled itself from this grade. This tree has a better chance of hitting 160' than the red oak on the Whitewater River in SC. It appears to be quite young (75-80 years). It's put on some girth since 2010, about 10". It slipped my mind to get a photo but Will posted one in 2010.

Lirio tulip 169.7' 169.0' 167.6' 166.8' 159.6' 159.1' 158.2' 156.3'

Quercus rubra 132.7' 155.7' cbh 12'2" or 146"

Robinia pseudo 136.0'

Carya cordi 131.5'

Halesia monti 121.6'

Betula alleghen 88.3'

Prunus serotina 120.6'
Mouse Creek forest
Mouse Creek forest
Mouse Creek forest
Mouse Creek forest

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Re: Big Creek

Post by dbhguru » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:39 am

Brian,

Heck'uva red oak. You had that one hid in the numbners. Tulips aren't slouches, assuming their fairly young. We're so used to 170s and 180s in the Smokies, that we're spoiled.

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Re: Big Creek

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:14 pm

I went back to Baxter Creek to see which tulip was the 185 footer. I don't know exactly what happened but every possible was measured and none fit the bill. Some better numbers did arise. The Rucker tulip and its next door neighbor are a little taller than I previously measured. I noticed a mighty fine silverbell along Baxter Creek that i missed before. It is one of only three known to top 130', and had been measured previously. A very old silverbell resides a bit further up the trail. Bitternut hickories are almost as ubiquitous as tulips. I missed quite a few on my initial visit. Some of the tulips are remeasures.

Lirio tulip 175.3' (by bend in trail) 173.8' & 172.1' (Rucker tulip group) 171.9' 170.8' 169.5' 168.7'
168.5' 168.6' 167.9' 167.0' 166.9' 166.4' 166.0' 165.3' 164.4' 164.3' 164.2' 162.8' 162.8'
161.6' 161.3' 161.0'

Magnolia acuminata 126.1' 124.2' 122.9'

Halesia monticoloa 131.3' 118.6' 117.3' 116.7' 113.4' 112.1'

Robinia pseudo 134.1' 126.0'

Quercus velotina 114.1'

Carya cordiformis 152.5' 143.8' 143.6' 134.7' 130.8'

Fraxinus americ 143.6' 130.9'
Rucker tulips
Rucker tulips
Rucker tulips 172.1' & 173.8'
Rucker tulips 172.1' & 173.8'
Old silverbell
Old silverbell
Beech and tulip
Beech and tulip
Tulip relic
Tulip relic

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Re: Big Creek

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:38 pm

I revisited a rich cove I went to last year to check out the old growth above the second and third growth and to hopefully find a Smokies record for sweetgum. I came close with sweetgum on the flats below the rich cove and Baxter Creek but fell four feet shy on the sweetgum. A quick remeasure of the Triple Sick Sycamore yielded 159' for the tallest trunk. This was from the same vantage point as I'd used last year. I decided to head uphill to make sure I was hitting the tops. The crown is confusing because two different trunks share the crown and it's difficult to tell which twig is to which trunk as they are a little bit intertwined. After careful sorting and crown scouting, each of the two tallest trunks breaks the sycamore record.

A state record red elm resides just down the dry run from the sycamore. A likely 170' tulip resides just uphill and 143' and 136' buckeyes reside right next to it. I should have remeasured all of these. The red elm is a new find. these trees are right on the edge of second/third growth with old growth just a hundred or so yards away. The ages just below these tall trees appear to be about 60 years while the tall second growth is likely 80-90. I assume the third growth is actually second growth that had been managed as open fields for a couple of decades after the park was established. The flats were likely farmland. There are stone ruins among the flats, as well as a few relic old growth trees.

Rich Cove

Platanus occidentalis 165.5' 163.4' 147.3'
Liquidambar styraciflua 133.4' 130.9'
Betula lenta 110.3'
Acer sacharrum 122.3'
Fraxinus biltmoreana 132.7'
Halesia monticola 98.7' 97.7'
Tilia heterophylla 144.3' 11'6" cbh
Ulmus rubra 134.0' 131.2'

Last year's measurements

Aesculus flava 143.1' 136.0
Lirio tulipifera 168.3'
Robinia pseudoacacia 137.0'

Apron between Rich Cove and Baxter Creek

Liquid styraciflua 138.1' 133.6' 132.7'

Flats along Big Creek

Liquid styraciflua 134.5' 133.9' 131.3'
Pinus strobus 139.7' 134.6'
Pinus rigida 102.2'
Juglans nigra 113.8'
large chimney
large chimney
11'6" basswood 144.3'
11'6" basswood 144.3'
144.3' basswood (formerly 150')
144.3' basswood (formerly 150')
triple sick trunks
triple sick trunks
triple sick trunks
triple sick trunks
triple sick trunks
triple sick trunks
triple sick trunks
triple sick trunks
triple sick crowns
triple sick crowns
butterflies and horse...
butterflies and horse...

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