Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

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Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:06 am

After reading about the super forest, I decided to try out an area adjacent to it, and then check out Burnt Mtn if time permitted. I'd just done Ramsey Cascades, so after Meigs it was almost dark. Burnt Mtn. will have to wait for another trip.

I parked at Elkmont and walked amongst the old cabins. They were certainly very nice in their day. Hopefully, the park will restore at least a portion of them. Meigs Mountain Trail starts off through very young forest at an old home site. A few mature trees are present but most are quite young. The tulips are about 100-110' at this point. This trail is all about tulips for its first mile and a half. They get bigger in the next cove and then are hitting 140's. The next cove has some serious height, not super cove height, but they are substantial and still quite young. After a couple of good coves, the trees get smaller and then the trail enters some old growth. It's not true old growth as the only really old trees are hemlocks and yellow birch, with some mature beech and red maple. The surprise on this trail is that there are almost no oaks of any kind. I saw just one red oak on Meigs and then some on the 100 yards of Jake's Creek Trail between Meigs and Elkmont. Mountain Silverbell outnumbered all oaks by about 30 to 1.

Meigs Mtn/Jake's Creek
Beech 108.2'
Black locust 139.6' 121'
sourwood 80.5'
cherry 123'
red maple 127.8' 120' 114.5'
Fraser mag 105.5'
Cucumber 110'
hemlock 106.4'
Biltmore ash 107.9'
sugar maple 107.9'
black birch 104.9' 99.4'
Va pine 92.3'
pitch pine 95.9'
butternut 95'
red oak 108.8' 108'
yellow birch 65'
sassafras 107' 93.5'
tuliptree 166.6' 164.1' 163.8' 156' 155.6' 154.5' 153.5' 153' 150' 149.9'

R10 120.67'
R5 133.38'

Elkmont
hemlock 120.4'
white pine 120.7'
Biltmore ash 121'
yel buckeye 102.4'
red oak 115.5'
sycamore 128'
pitch pine 114.4' Huge

Pictures appear to have vanished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Mountain_Trail
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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by Bart Bouricius » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:29 pm

Brian,

Nice Tulip heights, out of curiosity, roughly what would you guess was the range in circumference of the 3 160'+ young trees?

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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:54 pm

I probably should have measured the girths. I would guess about 7'-7.5' cbh. The largest tulip I saw was 8.5'-9'. It was in the 150's. A guess on the age for the cove with the 160's and most of the 150's would be roughly 75, with the larger tulip being closer to 100. There was very little cragginess in the crowns.

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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by dbhguru » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:33 pm

Brian,

The dominance of the tuliptree as the East's #1 tall tree widens. It is a phenomenal species.

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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by bbeduhn » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:12 am

The 160's and most of the 150's reside here
The 160's and most of the 150's reside here
Red maple grown over decayed stump
Red maple grown over decayed stump
Old foundation
Old foundation
Mystery tree -- about 16" diameter 95' tall (Butternut)
Mystery tree -- about 16" diameter 95' tall (Butternut)
Mystery tree crown.  Tree resides on a slope about 40' above small stream, near old foundation. (Butternut)
Mystery tree crown. Tree resides on a slope about 40' above small stream, near old foundation. (Butternut)
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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by Steve Galehouse » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:06 pm

Brian-

A great report! The mystery tree is very perplexing---the trunk photo looks like it might be butternut, but the crown photo displays opposite branching, which means it would have to be an ash, maple or buckeye; but none of those match the bark---it truly is a mystery!

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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by dbhguru » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:58 am

Brian,

I second Steve's comments. Yes, that tree is a mystery to me also. I wonder what Will's call is?

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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by Josh Kelly » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:40 am

I think it's a really nice butternut.

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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by Jess Riddle » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:17 pm

I'm fairly certain that's a butternut. Nice find.

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Re: Meigs Mountain, GSMNP

Post by Steve Galehouse » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:32 pm

Here's a "known" butternut for comparison, 89.2' x 7' 1'':
Butternt 89,2' x 7' 1''.jpg
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