Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by Will Blozan » Sun May 01, 2011 7:44 pm

Ed,

The historical Rucker Index for GRSM is 170.17

Pinustr 207
Liritul 191.9
Tsugcan 173.1
Robipsu 171.8
Fraxame 167.1
Platocc 162.2
Carygla 159.7
Aescfla 157.3
Carycor 156.3
Picerub 155.3
170.17

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by edfrank » Sun May 01, 2011 8:12 pm

Will,
The historical Rucker Index for GRSM is 170.17

Pinustr 207
Liritul 191.9
Tsugcan 173.1
Robipsu 171.8
Fraxame 167.1
Platocc 162.2
Carygla 159.7
Aescfla 157.3
Carycor 156.3
Picerub 155.3
170.17
Fantastic! These tuliptrees are really impressive and the RI is enough to blow you away.

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by dbhguru » Mon May 02, 2011 7:57 am

Ed,

Very true. The Rucker Index is off the charts for the Smokies. There is no other place in the East like it, and it is a story told only by ENTS. That fact is certainly a source of pride for us, but also accompanied by some frustration. Badly mis-measured trees by all sorts of professionals and amateurs reinforce the need for us to do the video. I recall some years back when Congaree National Park was thought to have the highest canopy, but LIDAR and ENTS tree climbs have laid that mistaken belief by some to rest. Congaree is very worthy, but cannot challenge the Smokies in terms of maximum tree height. The Smokies are ahead by a lot. Then there was that greatly mis-measured tuliptree in Winterthur. It falls nearly 40 feet short of the Smoky Mountain champ.

One by one, we dispel the tall tree myths, but until there is a clearly authoritative video that addresses all aspects of tree measuring, so-called professionals and amateurs will continue to mis-measure trees and remain aloof in their defiance of logic.

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by James Parton » Mon May 02, 2011 11:20 am

We ENTS should be put on that reality show " Mythbusters "!!
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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by sjhalow » Mon May 02, 2011 5:43 pm

Is there an updated list of RHIs for ENTS surveyed sites anywhere? The only such list that I know of are on the old site and a few years out of date.

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by edfrank » Mon May 02, 2011 7:17 pm

Steve,

There isn't any up-to-date listing of RI for all the sites we have.
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If you are curious, the RI for Ridley Creek that you compiled is the tallest in the northeastern US. There are no other tallest site for the NE and these listed figures are current. This is about as updated as is available at the moment. These are the only four sites in the NE that make the top 25. Some sites like GSMNP could be subdivided and some of those subsites would be taller than anything in the NE as well as the composite for GSMNP itself. Their inclusion would push the ranking of these NE sites farther down the list. This is a new compilation that updates the sites in the northeast for a report I am working on. It does consider the RI ranking of Atlanta.

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by Will Blozan » Mon May 02, 2011 8:14 pm

Ed,

My previous GRSM RI was incorrect, it is 170.27

GRSM- Historical GRSM- 2011
Pinustr 207 Liritul 191.9
Liritul 191.9 Pinustr 188.8
Tsugcan 173.1 Robipsu 171.8
Robipsu 171.8 Fraxame 167.1
Fraxame 167.1 Platocc 162.2
Platocc 162.2 Carygla 159.7
Carygla 159.7 Aescfla 157.3
Aescfla 157.3 Carycor 156.3
Querrub 156.3 Querrub 156.3
Carycor 156.3 Picerub 155.3
170.27 166.67

2nd is Savage Gulf SNA, TN at 152.45
3rd is Congaree NP at 151.46

Some sites in the mountains of SC may approach 150 but I can't recall any others over 150 at the moment.

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by edfrank » Mon May 02, 2011 8:48 pm

Will, Steve, ENTS,

This is what I have for the top 30. It is a mixture of older and new data. I bet something like a RI for Big Creek, Cataloochee Creek, or the Greenbriar section in GSMNP would be high numbers on the list if broken out separately. You rough idea of Ashville RI was 137. If you worked it out it could be added to the listings also.
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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by edfrank » Mon May 02, 2011 8:54 pm

This is the old list with some updates added. I have more data that is not entered. There are for example 73 sites in PA with RI over 110, the cutoff of the base list.

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Re: Fork Ridge Tuliptree- new eastern height record!!!

Post by eliahd24 » Mon May 02, 2011 9:42 pm

The Rucker 10 for Fernbank Forest in Atlanta, GA is now a hair over 136'. Not too shabby for an urban piedmont forest of only 60 acres.

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