180'+ Tuliptree Sites

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180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:19 am

Hazel Creek, GSMNP, NC 2015
187.6' 57.18m 187.5' 57.15m 185.5' 56.54m 183.0' 55.77m 181.0' 55.16m 180.0' 54.86m

Welch Branch, GSMNP, NC 2019
188.4' 57.42m 182.0' 55.47m 181.7' 55.38m 180.8' 55.10m 180.8' 55.10m 180.5' 55.01m

Fork Ridge Tulip, Deep Creek, GSMNP, NC 2012
191.9' 58.49m

Bradley Fork, GSMNP, NC 2019
188'+ 57.3m+

Cucumber Gap, Elkmont, GSMNP TN 2012
184.9' 56.35m

East Barkers Creek, Nantahala NF NC 2011
184.5' 56.23m 183.6' 55.96m 181.7' 55.38m

Point Lookout Tulip, Royal Gorge, Pisgah NF Ridgecrest, NC 2018
183.0' 55.77m

Burnt Mountain, Elkmont, TN GSMNP 2012
180.3' 54.95m 180.2' 54.92m

Wilson Creek, Pisgah NF, NC
180'+ 54.8m+


Likely 180's

Wesser Creek Nantahala NF NC 178.3' 54.34m 2011

Joyce Kilmer Nantahal NF NC 178.1' 54.28m

East Barkers Creek 179.8' 54.80m 2011


I have a feeling there are more sites with 180's out there that haven't been reported yet.

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Re: 180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by BeeEnvironment2020 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:42 pm

I Agree with you, Brian. I also think there are a lot of sites out there that have yet to be discovered for their tall tulip trees.

Just out of curiosity, of those tulips you listed, which one do you think has the highest probability of over topping the current 191 foot champ? A difference of 3 feet between the tallest and the second is not much, so maybe there is a 200 footer out there in the wilderness someplace.

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Re: 180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:37 am

Russ,

Unfortunately, I've seen just the Point Lookout Tree and the Welch Branch tulips. The tallest at Welch Branch certainly has a solid chance. The others there are all double trunks. I'm surprised they got as tall as they have. The 188"+ Welch Branch tulip is situated perfectly in the cove, despite being pretty high up in the cove. It has the best positioning, in a small ravine that provides more water but not too much. It has protection and it just looks more majestic than the others in the cove. It put on just one foot in height since its discovery in 2011 or 2012. It may well have hit 190' in the past already and had some die back.

The Point Lookout tulip is fairly close to home so I've measured it over time. It has had a repeated cycle of die back and growth. It has a solid spot in the cove but I have a feeling it will not hit 190'. I didn't get to it last year, but it was 179.5' two years ago. I suspect it is between 181' and 183' currently. I intend to get to it this year.

I cannot speak for the others but the phenomenal growth at Burnt Mountain and Cucumber Gap leads me to believe that these may be in the 190's already. The Bradley Fork tulip put on 8' between measurements.

Brian

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Re: 180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by BeeEnvironment2020 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:45 pm

Brian,

Ah okay, I see. So, you recently visited the Point Lookout Tree and the Welch Branch tulips, and found them to be the heights you listed here, recently?
As you say, if one of those tulips grew 8 feet between measurements, it could be very tall, over 190' by now!

I am still searching for that elusive 170 foot tulip here in PA. Must be someplace, like a stream-side valley, probably in the deep soils of the Piedmont. Wissahickon Gorge may as well already have one.

Thank you for posting this info!
Russ A.

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Re: 180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by bbeduhn » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:58 pm

Russ,

It is unlikely that Wissahickon has a 170'. The tallest known tulip was 162.3' but was 161. 2' in 2019. The park may have peaked in terms of tree height. That doesn't mean a 170' doesn't exist in PA. If you want to find one, check out the reports for sites that have had a 160 footer in the past. Five years for a 160' to get to a 170' tulip is certainly feasible.

Point Lookout was 179.5' in 2019, 183.0' in 2018.

Welch Branch was 188.4' in 2018, 187.4' in 2011.

Bradley Fork Tulip was 188'+ in 2019, 180.0' in 2010.

Brian

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Re: 180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by BeeEnvironment2020 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:37 pm

Brian,

Thanks for letting me know. I was thinking that certain tracts in the piedmont in SE PA might have 170s, especially around the area of the ~168 Foot Longwood Tulip champ.

For the Bradley Fork Tulip, do you know how much more than 188 feet it could be you think? Who knows, maybe there is a 195' out there by now!

Russ A.

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Re: 180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by bbeduhn » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:55 am

Russ,

The Bradley Fork Tulip could be anywhere from 185' to 191'. Tulips can put on 2' or more in a given year or lose 2' or more in a given year. It's a tough one to get to so it won't likely see a new measurement for 6-8 years.

The Longwood tulip could well be 170'+. I don't have a year handy for the 167' measurement but I think it has been at least 4 years.

Brian

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Re: 180'+ Tuliptree Sites

Post by BeeEnvironment2020 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:42 am

Brian,

Thanks for letting me know. Yeah, the Longwood Tulip height of 167 was by John Harvey, and like you said, probably around 4 years ago.

I tried finding it at Longwood last year, but despite having coordinates to the tree, I was somehow misdirected to two other tall tulip trees, but both were not the Longwood Tulip, because they were quite smaller in girth. Have not been to Longwood in a while, but maybe one of these days I will make the trip.

On a side note, those two tulips I mentioned were quite tall! I probably did not get their true tops. They reached around 46-47 meters, but unfortunately Monumentaltrees.com, where I keep my records, is down/not functioning this morning. I will check back later and post their heights and photos here.

Russ A.

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