Photo Measuring the Broad Brook Grandmother Pine

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#1)  Photo Measuring the Broad Brook Grandmother Pine

Postby dbhguru » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:52 pm

NTS,

  Today I returned to remeasure the Broad Brook Double Pine which Monica has renamed the Broad Brook Grandmother Pine. Fine by me. I had done one photo measurement of the trunk diameter, and my instinct told me that I was pretty lucky with the result I got because the shape of the trunk is definitely not circular. Plus, I got sloppy and didn't take into account the difference in distance between the reference object and target. I also mis-measured the girth by 0.1 feet at the point I placed the marker because my tape wasn't level going around the tree. When I eliminated the problems, the difference between the computed girth based on the photo measurement and the taped measurement became 5.15 inches. This is to be expected given the shape of the trunk, which is much more elliptical than circular. So, my plan was to measure the trunk's major axis and its minor axis and using them compute the perimeter of the ellipse and then compare it to a tape-measured result. The two images that follow tell the story. The first images show the measurement of the major axis and the computed girth I get using it though it were the diameter of a circular trunk. The second images shows the comparable process for the minor axis, plus the computation of the perimeter of the ellipse from the photo-measured major and minor axes. The girth of Grandmother is 15.2 feet at the center of the reference object. The computed perimeter of the ellipse is 15.04 feet. The difference between the taped result and the perimeter of the ellipse is 1.3%. I think that's remarkable. I probably got lucky, but only to an extent. The photo method is proving itself in these tests.

               
                       
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#2)  Re: Photo Measuring the Broad Brook Grandmother Pine

Postby Bart Bouricius » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:02 pm

I suspect it would vary by species, but I am thinking it would be interesting to compare the random diameter you have chosen to the compiled average of two diameters taken perpendicular to each other with respect to the average accuracy of the then calculated circumference.  I suspect this might be done by extrapolation, however a real statistical sample of measurements taken from two differently shaped tree types might be interesting.  In the case of perfectly elliptical tree trunks, I suspect it should average out to be roughly the same, but the more I think about it the less sure I am.  I think this can be done theoretically by looking at cross sections of logs that I cut up at work to begin with.  What do you think?  We all have seen trees that are cupped or quite oblong in shape, and in these cases I suspect averaging 2 perpendicular photo measurements would greatly improve the accuracy in a particular tree.  My question is how much on average with a given species?
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#3)  Re: Photo Measuring the Broad Brook Grandmother Pine

Postby Bart Bouricius » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:41 pm

Sorry Bob,

I see you already addressed this.  This could be quite helpful in getting above measurements on buttressed trees in the tropics as Will has suggested I do.
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