Intro from Western NC

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cindy m
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Intro from Western NC

Post by cindy m » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:34 am

Hello - I'm cindy from Western North Carolina. Although I have no education or experience with tree ID, I have seen some remarkable trees. I frequently hike off-trail in the Smoky Mountains and hope this group will look at occasional photos and comment on some of the more unusual ones. This is an image of an exceptionally large tree that I squatted and walked underneath. For reference, you can see me standing behind it.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ff5 ... TVTG-L.jpg

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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by dbhguru » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:40 am

Cindy,

Welcome aboard. We'd be delighted to help you ID trees through photos. However, you'll typically need to capture more of the tree than shown in the root section in the photo. My not too confident guess on the image you provided is yellow birch.

You can scan back on this BBS and see lots of photos members have sent in asking for assistance in identifying the species. It will give you a better idea of what will work.

Again, welcome aboard.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
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Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest
Co-founder, National Cadre

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cindy m
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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by cindy m » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:00 am

Thanks, Bob. Unfortunately, of the images I captured at the initial visit, only this one turned out. I plan to return to the tree location soon and will review the ENTS site beforehand so I can collect more helpful information.

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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by Larry Tucei » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:36 am

Welcome Cindy- As Bob pointed out you need a photo of the Trunk and Crown, Leaves, etc. if possible. Everyone has had trouble from time to time with tree identification. We would be glad to help you ID trees. Will, Jess, Brian and a few other members are experts in that region of the Country. Larry

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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by Ranger Dan » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:17 am

Hi Cindy-

Delighted to have a new member on board posting interesting picutres! It's been a while since we've seen pics from folks in the Smokies. It is my "spiritual homeland", and I've spent many a day squirreling around off-trail there myself, since 1976, so I loved seeing your picture and witnessing your curiosity. You crawled through a tree! Cool! I'm connected right there! I can remember doing the same thing at times. Thank you!

In my mind, the tree is almost certainly a yellow birch. The only other tree it might be is black birch, but the latter would be more likely to have some blocky plates in the bark. In yellow birch bark, even on old trees like this one, there is a brassy-colored shine in much of the bark. I can't see any of that in the photo (in part because there is a lot of algae and moss on it), but the smoothness and wrinkled quality of the root bark says "yellow birch" to me. The fact that there is a passage under the tree is another characteristic sometimes encountered in both of these birch species, because they often begin life as seedlings on nurse logs or stumps, which rot away. The open spaces develop as roots grow around voids in the rotting wood. So, what you often see are really interesting figures like the ones in your photo, with large exposed roots, looking as if they grew in the air from the beginning. There are trees in tropical rainforests that do indeed have aerial roots which grow to massive size, even to the point of resembling trunks, in the case of strangler figs and other species. But in our part of the world, those hanging or exposed roots were once in rotting wood, or soil.

I hope you will continue to show and tell us what you find in your wanderings. The topics on this list that I, personally, find interesting and worth commenting about are the non-technical items such as the one you bring up (well, if you don't consider tree identification by nuance technical, that is). There are so many qualities of trees and forests to discuss...the quirky, curious, mysterious, gorgeous, magnificent, awesome things that inspire and satisfy in a way that is completely different from discussion about measurements and technical issues...not that those things are any less valuable, they just don't hold much popular appeal. There has been talk of "what direction to go" with this discussion list, and I assume that we want more attendance and attention to our topics. I think you're bringing us back, Cindy. Keep it coming!

Dan Miles

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cindy m
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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by cindy m » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:50 pm

Last fall I returned to the big tree in the Smokies - it is an incredible thing! I sure couldn't see the top, but we did get a video that shows more of it:

https://youtu.be/s5IA72G9lk8

The measurement of the rope length in the video is 19.5 feet.

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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by dbhguru » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:55 am

Cindy,

I tried to watch the video and got the message that the video is unavailable.

Bob
Robert T. Leverett
Co-founder, Native Native Tree Society
Co-founder and President
Friends of Mohawk Trail State Forest
Co-founder, National Cadre

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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by cindy m » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:10 am

Sorry, I will add the link to it from smug mug https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gZ3 ... K-1280.mp4

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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by ElijahW » Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:40 pm

Cindy,

I’m in agreement with Dan on your tree. The bark in your video looks like Black Birch more than Yellow, but that growth form is more common in old Yellow Birches than in Black. It may be a very old tree, whichever species it is. A good close up picture of leaves and catkins would seal the deal. Cool tree; thanks for sharing,

Elijah
"There is nothing in the world to equal the forest as nature made it. The finest formal forest, the most magnificent artificially grown woods, cannot compare with the grandeur of primeval woodland." Bob Marshall, Recreational Limitations to Silviculture in the Adirondacks

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Re: Intro from Western NC

Post by Ranger Dan » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:03 pm

Now that is a fascinating tree! Assemblage of trees, actually! This is the kind of post I wish we could see more of. Remarkable trees. Casual measurements work fine for me to give an idea of the dimensions, and the video is especially revealing! It's refreshing to have something that connects to a sense of wonder and takes us out of the classroom.

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