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Re: FYI Study documents drought's impact on redwood forest f

Post by mdvaden » Sun Feb 07, 2016 6:20 pm

Lucas wrote: As a result, they may develop fewer new leaves in the spring and be more vulnerable to insects and diseases.
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Fewer leaves means they still will recover. And they are talking in terms of may-bees. But the article did suggest the ferns may be an important part of the ecosystem.
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And tough times for the redwoods...as many uprooted redwoods as I've seen (Humboldt State University labs, coastal hiking over twenty years), I can tell you that they are shallow rooted. They may in some cases run out a hundred feet from the base, but seldom go much below 5-6' in depth.
Compaction of soil around the base and areas out 50-100' will impact the redwoods too.
We gotta stop treating up front and personal visits as 'trophies'...
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Re: Impact - Before & After photos redwood Titans

Post by mdvaden » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:48 am

Lucas wrote:FYI Study documents drought's impact on redwood forest ferns ... Tough times for ferns
In the north, the ferns seem okay but need new fronds now. One albino sure felt it. Anyway ... here is the most recent "AFTER" photo taken in the Grove of Titans this month compared to one of my earliest images. These are the same photos utilized for the page The Forest Weeps.


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Re: The Forest Weeps + Before & After Photos of Redwood Tita

Post by Larry Tucei » Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:03 pm

Mario- Thanks for posting the links showing the damage from careless people. Also for what you put together showing places to hike, visit and so forth. I can't wait to get out west and visit these Beautiful giants. Larry

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Re: The Forest Weeps + Before & After Photos of Redwood Tita

Post by Don » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:16 pm

It really didn't need to happen...
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Re: The Forest Weeps + Before & After Photos of Redwood Tita

Post by John Harvey » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:18 pm

This is an in between photo. Exactly two years ago this coming week and you can see many more ferns even then.
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Re: The Forest Weeps + Before & After Photos of Redwood Tita

Post by Don » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:39 pm

Relative to our awareness of the above-ground ecosystem, we know much less about the biota of the duff and detritus/soil/bedrock interface. The photos show some resilience, but I suspect that there is are limits to the disturbance that can be absorbed before irrevocable change results.
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Re: The Forest Weeps + Before & After Photos of Redwood Tita

Post by mdvaden » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:23 pm

Don wrote:Relative to our awareness of the above-ground ecosystem, we know much less about the biota of the duff and detritus/soil/bedrock interface. The photos show some resilience, but I suspect that there is are limits to the disturbance that can be absorbed before irrevocable change results.
Ah hah !!

You just touched on something I plan to work tonight or very soon.

Last week when I took that one after photo, I photographed Lost Monarch and noticed roots growing from the trunk. It reminded me of the roots I found in the duff around El Viejo del Norte some years ago. The duff around those is loaded with adventitious roots and it probably has some minor extra hint of benefit.

Trampling erases almost all the duff next to the trunks, hence zero adventitious roots. And ... almost never again will there be any basal sprouts. None of those titans in that grove will continue into a cathedral redwood form either.
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Re: The Forest Weeps + Before & After Photos of Redwood Tita

Post by Mark Collins » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:49 am

If the base of the tree and area around the tree was left undisturbed, how long do you think it would take for the duff area and ferns to return? Would it help to throw a few handfuls of soil or duff around the base from time to time, or cover it with fallen branches to prevent people from stepping all over it?

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Re: The Forest Weeps + Before & After Photos of Redwood Tita

Post by wisconsitom » Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:29 am

I've got to be honest here-I've often wondered too about all the ropes and other hiking apparati used to climb the big trees. Surely damage to the unique life communities found high up in the crowns of these trees is ongoing with all the attention..........and in particular, with the new focus on "active" nature recreation, where the point is no longer to passively take in the grandeur, but rather, to "conquer" it somehow via climbing, diving, parachuting, rafting......you get the point-action! These groves and indeed special places everywhere will not withstand these hoards for long.

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