Oregon Willamette NF | Tall Grove Trail | Only 280 ft. minus

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Oregon Willamette NF | Tall Grove Trail | Only 280 ft. minus

Post by mdvaden » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:21 pm

Finally got around to checking out part of the Willamette National Forest, which someone forwarded an old article about, some months ago. It was claimed that Douglas fir there reached upwards of 320 feet. Pretty sure that's the number. Can't find the article, but maybe Michael Taylor saved the link. Article was from the 1980s, almost 30 years ago. So I drove out there today - takes about 1 hour from Interstate 5 and passing through a small town Lowell, Oregon. About 40 miles from 1-5.

The tallest I could find anywhere near that grove was 280 feet. And almost nil in the 260 to 270 foot range. Several 250 footers. No trunks bigger than the 5' to 6' diameter range either. The trail is mostly okay, but a lot of debris in places. The last section is closed-off by a big stack of fallen trees, and the observation deck is broken: in disrepair. Most roads - because they are used - are in pretty good shape. But the last roads which are 3.5 & 0.5 miles long leading to the trailhead have small trunks to dodge continually. Whoever cut them must have been lazy, because even a person in a hurry could have cut 3 more feet clearance width in the same amount of time. My impression is that the trail draws little interest anymore. They could practically decommission it and let the grove be what it will be. There are a lot of fallen trunks in the grove, most of which are bigger ones, not small ones. It's not a low protected valley. It's a tiny valley and slopes that were exposed on all sides, and the impact of time and weather are clearly apparent. If there was anything over 300 feet, maybe it's on the ground now.

Anyhow, today's exploration should save Taylor a future trip from Trinity County, CA.

Compared to the BLM land and Doerner Fir trail area, I'd give this Willamette NF grove a #2 on a scale of 1 to 10 for enjoyment, and the Doerner trail more like a #7.

The mirror photo is indicative of the road. That was the tightest squeeze. And on the way out. Going in, I actually brushed the truck against it so gently that it did not crease the metal or scratch paint.
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Re: Oregon Willamette NF | Tall Grove Trail | Only 280 ft. m

Post by Rory » Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:05 am

Hi Mario,

Thanks for the info. Too bad there isn't much going on there but not a bad thing to know this location can be crossed off the list.

Rory

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Re: Oregon Willamette NF | Tall Grove Trail | Only 280 ft. m

Post by dbhguru » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:39 am

Mario,

We are all indebted to you for clearing the air on this site. One reads about great trees in old reports and articles. For the most part, we can use those sources to stoke our campfires. There has to be a modern-day on-the-ground expert presence to give us reliable information. So, we're most appreciative of the group of super measurers out there on the West Coast. The grand Poobah of all NTS, Dr. Dave Stahle wants to have a NTS rendezvous in California, Oregon, or Washington in 2013. I hope we can pull it off. I presume Michael, you, and perhaps BVP would be the principal organizers if you all go for the idea. Here's hoping.

Can you give us a rundown of the most significant Doug fir sites?

Bob
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Re: Oregon Willamette NF | Tall Grove Trail | Only 280 ft. m

Post by mdvaden » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:47 am

dbhguru wrote:Mario,

We are all indebted to you for clearing the air on this site. One reads about great trees in old reports and articles. For the most part, we can use those sources to stoke our campfires. There has to be a modern-day on-the-ground expert presence to give us reliable information. So, we're most appreciative of the group of super measurers out there on the West Coast. The grand Poobah of all NTS, Dr. Dave Stahle wants to have a NTS rendezvous in California, Oregon, or Washington in 2013. I hope we can pull it off. I presume Michael, you, and perhaps BVP would be the principal organizers if you all go for the idea. Here's hoping.

Can you give us a rundown of the most significant Doug fir sites?

Bob
Bet Michael knows 10 time more locations than I do, even though he's in north CA.

One thing that has me curious, is whether the Willamette NF may have 300 footers in another spot. Because this tree climbing school mentions 250 to 300 foot trees on this page:

http://www.pacifictreeclimbing.com/?tit ... y%20Climbs

Couple of thoughts ... is if they found anything close to 310 to 320 or more, seems we would have heard more. Assuming they measured. The other, is if they take people into 260 foot trees, the page is still accurate, because the climb is still in the 250 to 300 foot range.

If they spend a lot of time in that forest, they may be worth calling. Although, I would not go exploring somewhere unless they had done a tape drop or fairly accurate laser measurement to arrive at the height.
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