Northeast Ohio finds

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Steve Galehouse
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Northeast Ohio finds

Post by Steve Galehouse » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:16 pm

NTS-

Rand Brown and I returned to Sand Run today to do some remeasuring and further exploration. It was a beautiful day with, 60F and sunny, and the woods and slopes were easy to traverse since we've not had rain for a week or more. Our primary mission was to measure the state record tuliptree, which we had previously measured to 163.72'. We took many measurements of the tree today, and I think we can safely say Ohio now has a 170 footer. We had several measurements in excess of 170', up to 173', and others in the mid to upper 160's. From what seemed to be the best vantage point, we got a 170.57' reading and a 169.46' reading, for an average of 170.01'. Also found were a cottonwood at 143.4' x 7' 10'', and a really nice scarlet oak at 119.9' and 11' 8''. These finds and other increases in previously measured trees push the Rucker 10 for Sand Run to 137.14, and the Rucker 10 for the Cuyahoga Valley(read greater Akron) to 142.36.

Sand Run: http://alpha.treesdb.org/Browse/Sites/440/Details

Cuyahoga Valley: http://alpha.treesdb.org/Browse/Sites/924/Details

These Rucker indices are comparable to those of sites much farther south.

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by Neil » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:36 am

super find, Steve & Rand!

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by dbhguru » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:54 am

Steve and Rand,

Awesome! What a confirmation. The tuliptree is the only hardwood we know of to break 170 at a latitude of 41 degrees north or higher. Actually, I never expected us to reach 170 that far north. I am absolutely going to visit you guys before too many months. Ohio is turning out to be a gold mine. I assumed Ohio of bygone days would have knocked our socks off, but today's Ohio is starting to reveal a new face. I wonder what secrets Indiana holds.

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by Steve Galehouse » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:41 am

Neil, Bob, NTS-

Here are a few photos from yesterdays trip:

Rand at the base of the tall tuliptree--
Rand170.jpg
Rand with 119.9' x 11'8'' scarlet oak--
Randscarlet.jpg
Scarlet oak top--
Scarletoak119.jpg
Another nice tuliptree, 161' x 13' 8''. This tree looked young and vigorous despite its size, with a very straight and symmetrical bole, and was located at mid-slope on a south facing hillside instead of a ravine.
tulip161x13'8''.jpg
tulip161x13'8''top.jpg
A typical hemlock ravine. The tallest hemlock we found was 125'.
ravine.jpg

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by Rand » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:59 pm

A few more pictures
170' x 14' 8.5" Tulip Profile View
170' x 14' 8.5" Tulip Profile View
170' x 14' 8.5" Tulip Looking Up
170' x 14' 8.5" Tulip Looking Up
161' x 13' 8' Tulip Tree (Steve's photos stitched)
161' x 13' 8' Tulip Tree (Steve's photos stitched)
161' x 13' 8' Tulip Tree looking up
161' x 13' 8' Tulip Tree looking up
119.9' x 11'8'' scarlet oak
119.9' x 11'8'' scarlet oak
~ 120' x ~11' cbh beech
~ 120' x ~11' cbh beech
125' Hemlock
125' Hemlock
The 143.4' cottonwood* was located in the bottom of this shallow draw, just downhill from these two twin tulips:
150' x ~7' twin tulips
150' x ~7' twin tulips
*As far as I know this is the tallest cottonwood in the state. The next tallest is ~130' in Davey Woods in West Central Ohio. There is also a grove of ~130' cottonwoods at the mouth of blackhand gorge just east of Newark Ohio. The apparent tallest one was 131.7'

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by dbhguru » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:28 pm

Steve,

The profile of the 170 is striking. It looks like a 170. The tuliptree is the king of eastern hardwoods. It so dominates its surroundings.

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by mdavie » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:16 pm

That's great, Steve.
Also, it looks like the entirety of Ohio and Pennsylvania is now available on the lidar viewer site, have you checked that out?

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by Steve Galehouse » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:24 pm

Mike-

Yes, I survey any new site with Fusion/LiDAR before a visit. I've probably downloaded 80-100 tiles of LiDAR data for sites in Ohio.

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by Chris » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:22 pm

Amazing, keep up the good work!

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Re: Northeast Ohio finds

Post by Jess Riddle » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:29 pm

Steve and Rand,

I’m impressed by the tuliptree like everyone else, but I think the cottonwood may be an even more significant find. As far as I know, that is the tallest cottonwood Ents has measured at a site not named Meeman-Shelby State Park. The scarlet oak is a nice find too.

Jess

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