Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

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Steve Galehouse
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Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by Steve Galehouse » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:25 pm

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Rand Brown and I took advantage of the thaw and mild weather and explored a couple of sites in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. One of them, Hampton Hills(41.16821, -81.5568), is located on the east side of the river midway between Akron and Peninsula. I had visited this park previously, and while I thought it had some nice trees, I didn't feel it held anything exceptional. The last several weeks I've been surveying potential tall tree sites using LiDAR data in the Fusion program, and the tile covering this site surprisingly showed several LiDAR hits above 150', with one at 161.37', all in a single valley or ravine a few hundred yards long. Rand and I set off to explore that ravine, and we weren't disappointed. Here is what we found, during a brief two hour exploration which was limited by slippery conditions on the hillsides(we still need to get CBH's on many trees).

As always, Tuliptrees rule as far as height in our area, and Rand measured one to 160.8'; the second 160'+ tulip found at a Cuyahoga Valley site, and this one is right near a 159' tulip. There were several other tulips in the 150' range in this ravine, as well as a red oak and bitternut that both hit 135'.
Data Hampton Hills.JPG
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Tuliptrees, 159' to the right, 160'8' center:
Tuliptrees, 160,8' center, 159' right.jpg
Double Tulips, 144' & 150' tops:
Double tuliptree, 144' & 150' tops.jpg
Tuliptree, 150' x 8' 7'':
Tuliptree 150' x 8' 7''.jpg
Rand with his new Hi-Visibility Nikon 550:
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This is the first time I targeted a site based on LiDAR data, and I have to say it was very helpful and accurate---the tall trees were right where the LiDAR data said they should be, and with a tolerance of error(161.37 vs. 160.8) that is really fantastic. It is also encouraging that a tree greater than 160' in northeastern Ohio is not a fluke or aberration, since they have now been found on two separate sites.

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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by Larry Tucei » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:38 pm

Steve, 160 wow! Niiiice! Lidar seems to be working really good for you. What link do have for that? Larry

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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by James Parton » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:35 am

Larry,

I think we all are getting Lidaritis! It seems to be spreading around ENTS rapidly!
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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by dbhguru » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:30 am

Steve and Randy,

Congratulations. LIDAR is like gold. It is proving itself to be the tool we've all hoped for. Love those tulips. It was Thomas Jefferson's favorite tree species, and with good reason. Are you and Rand going to revisit the site, or do you have all the data you intend to collect?

Ohio is starting to reveal itself as a productive tree growing region. Now, if the State just won't cut everything in support of biomass.

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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by Rand » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:19 pm

Here's a couple of stitches of the tallest tulip trees.


First the 150' 8.7' cbh tree beside the trail
150' merged.JPG

Perhaps 30 yards downstream of the previous vantage poit, and off to the left are the 160' (on the left) and the 159' (on the right) trees
tallest tulip.JPG
Lastly near the top of the ravine a well lit spiraling beach caught my eye:
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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by Neil » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:32 am

sweet trees & pix, Rand!

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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by mdavie » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:14 am

That's great, Steve! Lidar really does work wonderfully to highlight places that might otherwise go missed.

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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by sradivoy » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:23 pm

I think the 160' tulip may have grown a foot or two since you guys measured it five years ago. I recently got a 161' and a 162' from a different vantage point today. I round down to the lowest foot for all handheld measurements that includes eyeballing the mid-slope (the actual reading was something like 161.8 and 162.6 respectively). Interestingly, both the 159' and 150' tree remained the same height according to my crude measurements.
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This very slender and perfectly straight 160 plus tulip is shooting for the stars. The 159' tree to the right is partially obscured  by the beech.
This very slender and perfectly straight 160 plus tulip is shooting for the stars. The 159' tree to the right is partially obscured by the beech.

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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by Erik Danielsen » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:54 am

So would these be the northernmost known 160'+ hardwoods in the eastern US? All the 160'+ trees I can think of further north are Pinus strobus, but I could be missing a site.

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Re: Hampton Hills, CVNP, 160.8' Tuliptree

Post by sradivoy » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:17 pm

I think the 150ft tulip that I measured was the 147' tree instead of the 150ft tree mentioned in the OP. It's the largest tree in the grove with the biggest girth. I must have missed the other two 150 trees. In any case there appears to be a total of five 150plus trees in this very small but impressive grove. I doubt I hit the top of the 159 tulip. The main purpose of my visit is to see if it breeched 160.

Eric, as far as I know this is the northernmost hardwood above 160'. And just a couple of miles south from this location has the northernmost 170ft hardwood.

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