American Hornbeam

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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by George Fieo » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:03 am

Morgan,

Welcome to NTS. You certainly seem to know your trees. The question I have for you is do you know of any exceptional forest/woods/wooded ravines near where you live. Wow, a national champion! Would love to see a photo on the BBS.

George

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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by morgan » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:47 am

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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by morgan » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:53 am

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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by morgan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:10 am

The first pic is from 2009 and the bark is dark because it was raining. This is from 2010 when it wasn't raining. See blue bark typical of American Hornbeam.
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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by morgan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:20 pm

This plaque was sent in 1982 to the current owners of the house. We moved out in 1968. This is the second set of measurements, it went from 65 to 69 feet and from 7 foot 2 to 7 foot 11 between 1975 and 1982.

The AFA sent me a letter in 1982 asking that I make a new measurement, because there was a candidate for champion in Ohio that was bigger than the Milton tree. So I went there and measured the girth, from that they sent a forester to measure it officially. It was still the biggest.

It's obviously much bigger now.

MUCH bigger.
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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by morgan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:01 pm

This is what started the whole thing. I have a stack of these letters going on for 45 years from 1968 to now. Before the internet or email or facebook we had to write actual letters. On typewriters.

Remember those?
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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by edfrank » Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:35 am

morgan wrote:
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Really the girth should be taken below the major branching and not that high in the tree. The idea is to get the full measure of the girth of the tree with a balance of measuring it above most of the basal flare. The 4.5 feet is to avoid some proportion of the basal flare, but in the case of major branching it should be measured lower - at the narrowest point below the lowest major branching, Great Tree!
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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by morgan » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:55 am

Thanks Ed. You just added about 20 inches to the girth of the tree, and 20 points. Not that this tree needed more.

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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by Will Blozan » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:46 pm

Ed/Morgan,

I agree, the measurement point should be lower as it seems those branches are right at 4.5 feet.

Will

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Re: American Hornbeam

Post by tsharp » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:56 pm

Bob, Don:
Just wondering if there has been any discussion in your working group about the present AF rule for measuring circumference at a non-standard 4 1/2' height for low branching trees. I know it was somewhat controversial when it was established and I occasionally see grumbles about it.
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