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            <title>Off-topic - Post About Anything Here :: Potato diversity: the last Inca treasure :: Author edfrank</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Potato diversity: the last Inca treasure<br /><br /><a href="http://www.davidwithoutborders.com/2010/09/06/potatoes-the-last-inca-treasure/" class="postlink">http://www.davidwithoutborders.com/2010/09/06/potatoes-the-last-inca-treasure/</a><br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>6 September 2010 by David Without Borders <br /><br /><img src="http://www.davidwithoutborders.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/4-150x150.jpg" alt="Image" class="reimg" onload="reimg(this);" onerror="reimg(this);" /><br /><br />The Andean region is the world’s center for potato domestication. Since the early 2000s, scientists and Quechua communities are racing to record and preserve the genetic diversity of native potatoes; to ensure that it does not vanish as suddenly as the Inca Empire. While building the largest state-of-the-art in vitro gene bank in the world, six communities are conserving the native potatoes in a potato park. Here, the combination of traditional knowledge and modern technologies, ex-situ and on-the-ground banks, works to ensure the continuity of modern world agriculture.<br /></div></blockquote><br /><br /><br />.]]></description>
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            <title>Massachusetts :: This one is for Gaines :: Author dbhguru</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ENTS,<br /><br />      Conway, MA is a small edge of the Berkshires town about 18 miles from our house. There is a Norway Spruce that sticks up conspicuously from the yard of an old home in Conway. I finally had to settle the issue of its dimensions today. So off State Route 116 and onto a side road I went. The tree is on the property of an old house that is being renovated. The spruce is surrounded by other trees, but I found a peephole to its crown. The following image shows the trunk.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia0 -->NorwayInConwaySmall.jpg<!-- ia0 --></div><br /><br />    How large is this big tree? Well, it is 13.4 feet in girth and 120.3 feet tall! I'm on the lookout for big Norways. I think I'm going to be finding a lot more than I ever imagined.<br /><br />Bob]]></description>
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            <title>MA - Mohawk Trail State Forest :: The Ash Search Has Begun :: Author dbhguru</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ENTS,<br /><br />     As those of you who endure my frequent posts on white pine searches know, I am obsessed with finding and measuring the trees of a species that reach some dimensional threshold that I, or someone else, has arbitrarily established. With me, white pines are a primary focus - the ones either over 12 feet in girth, 150 feet in height, or 500 feet of trunk volume. Well folks, the search is not limited to white pines. Another species that doesn't escape my exercised eye is the white ash. In Massachusetts, Fraxinus americana is our tallest hardwood species. Nothing, not even the tuliptree, can compete with it in the Baystate, and the center of its development lies in the Berkshires and Taconics of western Massachusetts. I have no idea why this is the case, but until we find in other areas trees that match the numbers coming out of the river corridors in the Berkshire country, the center of height development is here.<br /><br />     On Saturday, I kicked off the hunt to update the inventory of tall white ash trees in Massachusetts. The threshold height is 130 feet and there is no place in Massachusetts that we've found where so many trees meeting this threshold can be found than MTSF. So, on Saturday, Monica, Glen Ayers, his lady friend Patrice , and I headed to two sites on Clark Mountain that have been big producers in the past. They are Indian Flats and Ash Flats. These sites are on the opposite side of the Cold River to Route #2, with its steady flow of tuned-out travelers. Once across the Cold, you have it all to yourselves. <br /><br />    After rock hopping across the Cold with less balance than once possessed in my case, we scrambled up a steep ravine and onto Indian Flats. The Flats covers only about an acre, maybe an acre and a half, but what it lacks in area, it makes up in quality. Here is an image of a splendid slender white ash that measures 7.6 feet around, but an eye-popping 140.3 feet in height.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia6 -->IndianFlatsTreeHugging1S.jpg<!-- ia6 --></div><br /><br />      A nearby tree was the real target of my search - the Indian Flats Ash. It measures a more substantial 8.6 feet in girth and reaches to 142.5 feet in height. Here is a shot looking up the trunk. The sun created glare, so the shot isn't as clear as I'd hoped, but I think it conveys the idea.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia5 -->IndianFlatsAsh1S.jpg<!-- ia5 --></div><br /><br />      Here is a close up of the Indian Flats Ash.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia4 -->IndianFlatsWhiteAsf2S.jpg<!-- ia4 --></div><br /><br />      The white snakeroot in this rich woods area is extraordinary. Here is an image of the snakeroot. A number of years ago, a botanist friend and I did a plant inventory in Indian Flats. The species count impressed my expert friend. It is a rich woods site.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia3 -->IndianFlatsWhiteSnakeroot1S.jpg<!-- ia3 --></div><br /><br />      The dense canopy made further measuring in the Indian Flats area unproductive, so we moved on toward Ash Flats. The terrain is rough and there is little hint of what lies beyond Indian Flats about a half mile up river. Monica had been wanting to see Ash Flats, so that is where we headed. I saw a few fairly tall northern red oaks along the way, but nothing extraordinary. The canopy generally varies from 85 to 105 feet -- nothing to get excited about. And then something happens. Wow! The canopy of Ash Flats is even more impressive than in Indian Flats. Many of the ash trees don't branch for 70 to 80 feet. Remember, this is Massachusetts -- not the Smokies. Here is a shot looking aloft into the crowns of 130+ feet white ash trees.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia2 -->AshFlats1Small.jpg<!-- ia2 --></div><br /><br />      I wasn't able to verify any heights of the ashes in Ash Flats through the dense hardwood canopy, which ranges from 120 to 140 feet based on past measurements. I'll return when the leaves have fallen. Here is a shot looking into soaring trunks followed by an image of the Ash Flats Ash. I am reasonably sure it is over 140. It has been in the past. All these trees are between 115- and 140 years in age.<br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia1 -->AshFlats2Small.jpg<!-- ia1 --></div><br /><br /><div class="inline-attachment"><!-- ia0 -->AshFlatsAsh1S.jpg<!-- ia0 --></div><br /><br />Bob]]></description>
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            <title>MA - Mohawk Trail State Forest :: Re: The Ash Search Has Begun :: Reply by Beth</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Bob, Lovely ash trees and very impressive in size.]]></description>
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            <title>MA - Mohawk Trail State Forest :: Re: The Ash Search Has Begun :: Reply by dbhguru</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Beth,<br /><br />    Ice Glen has larger ones and there are beauties in the upper Housatonic River Valley. I hope to find and document the best of the species across its range in southern New England while we still have healthy trees. I fear that the news is all bad and I'd like there to be a reliable record of what once grew here. <br /><br />Bob]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:32:23 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>MA - Mohawk Trail State Forest :: Re: The Ash Search Has Begun :: Reply by James Parton</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Bob,<br /><br />I never tire of your posts on MTSF. Together with Cook Forest in Pennsylvania they are my most wanted to visit places in the Northeast. I would also like to visit what is left of the Cathedral Pines in Connecticut. <br /><br />James]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:46:02 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>MA - Mohawk Trail State Forest :: Re: The Ash Search Has Begun :: Reply by dbhguru</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[James,<br /><br />      Rather than the remnants of the Cathedral Pines, a better choice would be the Bryant Woods in Cummington, MA. They are extraordinary. Then there is Ice Glen, another exceptional place. So, if you are able to get up this way, you know that you'll get a personal tour. There are hidden pockets yet to be found in all these northeastern states, but it is almost pure luck when a new spot pops up. Still, there is hope. The central Berkshires naturally grow large pines. When the trees are left to grow for 100 or more years, the possibilities sky rocket. Monica and I are going to head out to Hawley State Forest in an hour. Maybe I'll have a new discovery to report on by day's end.<br /><br />Bob]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:20:01 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>MA - Mohawk Trail State Forest :: Re: The Ash Search Has Begun :: Reply by James Parton</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Bob,<br /><br />Good luck. I am heading out to look for a reported &quot; record &quot; white pine that I have heard people talk about at work. It is up on Wash Creek in North Mills River or so I can glean from what little they can tell me. They say it s huge and has a sign on it. I can find nothing about it on the Internet.<br /><br />Wish me luck. I'll need it.<br /><br />James]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:03:01 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>North Carolina :: Re: Cold Mountain Overlook American Chestnut :: Reply by dbhguru</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[James,<br /><br />   I loved the post. It really speaks to what ENTS is all about on many levels. <br /><br />Bob]]></description>
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            <category>North Carolina</category>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 00:36:13 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>North Carolina :: Re: Big Ginkgo trees at the Carl Sandburg Home. :: Reply by James Parton</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ENTS,<br /><br />About a month ago I visited the Sandburg home and took another look at the Ginkgo furthest from the house while I was there. I thought, it does not look quite 110 feet tall, but I did not have my measuring gear on me. Today I remembered to take my measuring gear along. Sarah wanted to see the goats and I thought I would remeasure the tree while there.<br /><br />Stepping onto the grass in the same spot Irene and I measured the tree from back in early June I took a good look at the tree. While it looked tall I would have not said quite 110 feet. A much taller Tulip Poplar is located behind the Ginkgo and The limbs of the two trees come together in places. I remember noticing the poplar back in June and thought I had avoided the intervening limbs while doing the measurement. With Sarah at my side I pulled out my rangefinder, clinometer and notebook to either confirm my earlier measurement or debunk it. The hopes don't look good. After scanning around a bit and being very careful not to sight the taller poplar behind the Ginkgo I found what looks like the tallest point on the Ginkgo. Writing the laser measurement down I did the same with the clinometer. Then of course the trees base was measured. That was easy since the view was clear. After doing the math on the calculator the tree turned out to be a much shorter 80.3 feet tall. Nearly 30 feet shorter than my june measurement! How could I have been so much off? The answer is an easy one. I had sighted a higher point on the tall tulip behind the Ginkgo by mistake. This was incorporated into the former measurement making the tree appear much taller than it actually was. Yeah, I am a bit disappointed since a 110 footer would be among the tallest Gingkos measured in the US. But still, 80 ft ain't bad. But I feel better about this. The measurement is now right and I feel right about it.<br /><br />Oh, well....<br /><br />James]]></description>
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            <category>North Carolina</category>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:24:31 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>North Carolina :: Re: Big Ginkgo trees at the Carl Sandburg Home. :: Reply by edfrank</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[James,<br /><br />It is far better to get it right, than hold on to bad measurements. It is taller than any ginkgo I have measured (but then I have only measured 1 at 73.9 feet).<br /><br />Ed]]></description>
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            <category>North Carolina</category>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:55:34 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>North Carolina :: Re: Big Ginkgo trees at the Carl Sandburg Home. :: Reply by James Parton</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hey, Ed.<br /><br />73.9 feet ain't bad!<br /><br />James Parton]]></description>
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            <category>North Carolina</category>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:48:46 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Wyoming :: Re: Tree Mortality :: Reply by jamesrobertsmith</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Yeah, it was exactly what some of the other hikers were telling me. It's the influence of human-caused global warming. We're bound to extinction to fuck up the Earth. Oh, well.]]></description>
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            <title>Europe and the British Isles :: Re: Bialowieza Forest, Poland :: Reply by Jeroen Philippona</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ENTS, <br /><br />Yesterday I got some new measurements with Nikon Forestry 550 laser ranger from Tomasz Niechoda, who has visited Bialowieza again in August. For European ash, Scots pine, Small-leaved lime and Wych elm there are some new lasermeasured height records for the forest. <br /><br />Here is a new list, combining his measurements of July and August. <br /><br />Norway spruce - Picea abies <br />- 50,2 m / 164,7 feet - cbh 408 cm / 13,4 feet<br />- 49,2 m / 161,4 feet - cbh 330 cm / 10,8 feet<br /><br />European common ash - Fraxinus excelsior<br />- 44,8 m / 146,98 feet - cbh 408 cm / 13,39 feet - this was probably taller, but difficult to measure. <br />- 40,5 m / 132,87 feet - cbh 525 cm / 17,22 feet<br /><br />English oak - Quercus robur <br />- 42,6 m / 139,76 feet - cbh 540 cm / 17,7  feet     <br />- 41,2 m / 135,17 feet - cbh 728 cm / 23,88 feet - this was probably taller, but difficult to measure. Largest girth of a living oak in the Bialowieza forest. <br />- 41,2 m / 135,17 feet - cbh 510 cm / 16,73 feet<br />- 41,2 m / 135,17 feet - cbh 477 cm / 15,65 feet<br />- 41,2 m / 135,17 feet - cbh 416 cm / 13,65 feet<br />- 41,0 m / 134,51 feet - cbh 588 cm / 19,29 feet<br />- 41,0 m / 134,51 feet - cbh 475 cm / 15,58 feet<br />- 40,6 m / 133,2   feet - cbh 577 cm / 18,93 feet<br />- 40,4 m / 132,5   feet - cbh 597 cm / 19,59 feet<br />- 39,4 m / 129,27 feet - cbh 612 cm / 20,08 feet<br />- 37,8 m / 124,02 feet - cbh 701 cm / 23,0  feet<br /><br />Scots pine - Pinus sylvestris <br />- 42,6 m / 139,76 feet - cbh 260 cm / 8,53 feet<br />- 41,8 m / 137,14 feet - cbh 220 cm / 7,28 feet <br />- 40,4 m / 132,5   feet - cbh 378 cm / 12,4 feet<br /><br />Small-leaved lime - Tilia cordata<br />- 35,2 m / 115,49 feet - cbh 420 cm / 13,78 feet<br /><br />Wych elm - Ulmus glabra <br />- 35,2 m / 115,49 feet - cbh 330 cm / 10,83 feet<br /><br />Tomasz didn't give me measurements of the many other species in Bialowieza, probably he concentrated on the largest species. <br /><br />Jeroen]]></description>
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            <category>Europe and the British Isles</category>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:22:57 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Europe and the British Isles :: Re: Bialowieza Forest, Poland :: Reply by James Parton</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Jeroen,<br /><br />Awesome, just plain awesome! Two Norway spruce over 160 feet tall and just look at the girths on those English Oak. All are in their teens and twenties! Bialowieza is obviously a great place.<br /><br />Have you brought up the idea to Tomasz of joining ENTS?  You, Kouta and Tomasz would make a great European ENTS team. But by submitting these measurements through you he has already become ENTS recognized and by many would probably already be considered a member. He would be more than welcome to join and post to the list.<br /><br />You guys keep up the great work. You far exceed my meager contributions!<br /><br />James]]></description>
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            <title>Europe and the British Isles :: Re: Bialowieza Forest, Poland :: Reply by Jeroen Philippona</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[James, <br /><br />Thanks! I'll ask Tomasz if he will look at the BBS and joining ENTS. The English is perhaps a bit of a problem. He has a large website about big trees in Bialowieza; a part is in English:  <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.drzewa.puszcza-bialowieska.eu/ang/">http://www.drzewa.puszcza-bialowieska.eu/ang/</a><!-- m --><br />See beautiful new photos he took this year at: <br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.drzewa.puszcza-bialowieska.eu/index.php5?dzial=galeria2010">http://www.drzewa.puszcza-bialowieska.e ... aleria2010</a><!-- m --><br />Some of the trees at the list above are on the photos. <br />Tomasz has measured the girth of many hundreds of trees, especially oaks, wich is the largest and together with ash and pine the second tallest species. Since 2008 he has a Suunto clinometer and since July this year a Nikon Forestry 550 laser. <br />His measurements with the Suunto were very careful and acurate, most lasercontrols are within a metre / 3 feet. <br />You can see many of these trees at the search-possibility of his site. There you can see that the list here is only the tip of the Iceberg. On this site are only trees in the National Park, only one sixt of the Polish part of the forest. Outside of it in the forest are many more large trees, especially oaks, to be seen at another site of Tomasz: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.deby.bialowieza.pl/ang/index.php5">http://www.deby.bialowieza.pl/ang/index.php5</a><!-- m --> .<br /><br />Jeroen]]></description>
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            <title>General Discussions :: Re: Ash Trees :: Reply by Will Blozan</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Beth,<br /><br />Ash are prolific sprouters- but it sounds like the tree is doomed due to the root zone being buried.<br /><br />Will]]></description>
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            <title>General Discussions :: Re: Ash Trees :: Reply by Beth</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks Will, I'll put the little one out of its misery then.]]></description>
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            <title>Forest Management :: Re: Okay... :: Reply by edfrank</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[This seems to be a pretty bureaucratic approach to the situation.  You can't use chain saws in a wilderness area to remove hazardous trees, but using explosives is somehow alright.]]></description>
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            <title>Movies, Televison, and Videos Featuring Trees :: Swamp People :: Author James Parton</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ENTS,<br /><br />Has anyone watched any of the reality series on the History Channel titled &quot; Swamp People &quot; featuring people hunting alligators and living in the Atchafalaya Basin of Southern Louisiana? Along with the alligator &quot; fishing &quot; and people the show shows absolutely beautiful wetlands and forests including large Baldcypress trees. The show also states that the swamp also has some old growth Baldcypress left. We have high-def TV and the imagery is wonderful! <br /><br />The Atchafalaya Basin would be a wonderful place for ENTS exploration and documentation. Has anyone in ENTS ever visited there? Yeah, you, Larry Tucei and Don Bragg?! I would go in a heartbeat if I had the time and money. I am hoping for more vacation time and money in the future.<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.history.com/shows/swamp-people">http://www.history.com/shows/swamp-people</a><!-- m --><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.history.com/shows/swamp-people/articles/the-atchafalaya-swamp">http://www.history.com/shows/swamp-peop ... laya-swamp</a><!-- m --><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.atchafalaya.org/index.php?page=heritage#historical">http://www.atchafalaya.org/index.php?pa ... historical</a><!-- m --><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchafalaya_Basin">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchafalaya_Basin</a><!-- m --><br /><br />James]]></description>
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            <title>Photography :: Re: Thoughts on Art and Photography :: Reply by dbhguru</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Kouta,<br /><br />   Very interesting and enlightening. I'm going to soon purchase a new camera. My little Nikon Coolpix won't do the job that needs to be done to capture the forest scenes that call out for better photographic interpretation. Most of my images are at the 2.5 megapixel definition. That's archaic by modern standards. I'll probably settle for 12 to 18 since most of my shots are meant for computer screens.<br /><br />Bob]]></description>
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            <title>Photography :: Re: Thoughts on Art and Photography :: Reply by Don</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Kouta-<br />After a search on spherical aberration as you suggested, you were correct, and I stand corrected.  The phenomena I was referring to was 'barrel distortion', the distortion which occurs in the transmission of a 3D world to a 2D plane. Wikipedia's accompanying graphs were excellent.<br />In my work with aerial photography, all analysis of but the very center of an aerial photograph was subject to distortion due to &quot;barrel distortion&quot;...but the &quot;outer half&quot; of the photo was markedly distorted and couldn't be relied upon to supply good data.  Of course, when doing stereo photogrammetry, one couldn't exclude the 'outer half'...the stereo effect provided a better sense of vertical relationships, and we'd let horizontal space relations slide.<br />What made photogrammetry really interesting was the use of analog, and later digital, correction of aerial images.  Today's digital ortho-photo quads (DOQQs) has become a valuable part of the GIS world (2D maps).  And pairing DOQQs with digital topographic maps (DRGs or Digital Raster Graphics) makes for a real interesting product.  In my last job before retiring, we made paired DOQQ/DRGs for all of the above rim Grand Canyon (below the rim, the topography couldn't be matched with photography at any useful scale (you can &quot;fly&quot; through the Grand Canyon with Google, but only at rather coarse scales).<br /><br />Your pairing of 24mm and 50mm photos with a cropped 'inner-halved' 50 was the perfect example of 3 pictures being worth a thousand words!<br /><br />I've never been one to carry a half dozen lenses around, and up until recently, my ancient Nikon F2A's lenses were a good match for my usual uses...I have a 42-86mm telephoto and a 135 mm fixed lens.  Why these? I didn't like the 'distortion' I got from the 'wider angle' lenses, so I didn't go any lower.  And I prefer fixed lenses for better optics.  Hmmm, another consideration was that both lenses fit in the same slightly oversize case, which I believe has well protected them both over the years (1978 purchase, Singapore).<br />For the last five years, I've used a Nikon Coolpix 5700 which (recently is on the blink, sad to say) is a 35mm to 280mm telephoto. While the temptation is great to replace it with some of the new superzooms (20x optical), especially with those going down to 18-24mm wide angle bottoms, I'm having to rethink the whole telephoto thing, and go back to good fixed lens optics, and get high 20-40 Megs resolution for &quot;inner-halfing&quot;.<br /><br />Like boats, there's just not one that does everything you need it to...them &quot;compromises&quot;!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:12:26 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Photography :: Re: Thoughts on Art and Photography :: Reply by gnmcmartin</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Kouta:<br /><br />   Yes, and I am always pointing my camera upwards--for me the height/crowns of trees are the most beautiful and interesting.  Most people take pictures of the base of the trunks--which is nice, I guess, but for me it doesn't really give a good idea of the beauty of a tree.  I loved the old 3D camera I had because I could take my pictures looking up, and to a large degree avoid the distortion, and give some sense of the depth of field (heights of the trees).<br /><br />   One thing I can do is avoid taking pictures upslope, which increases the problem.  The reverse helps a bit.<br /><br />   But beyond all that, it is the incredible visual complexity of a view into a forest that is the problem.  The depth of field combined with a visual complexity that I would not know how to talk about, makes really good forest photography a virtual impossibility for most of us.  I think why people who love the forest as we do are rather rare, is because most people don't have the vision, or the visual experience, to really see a forest--or for their minds to &quot;compose&quot; what they see to make &quot;sense&quot; of it.<br /><br />   Most people to some degree have &quot;amusia,&quot; meaning that there are elements in complex music that they simply can't percieve or make sense of.  Much of this has to do with a lack of a good sense of pitch/harmony, which is analogous to colorblindness, but there are other elements as well. There may be something of that general kind in really seeing a forest.  For those of us who truly can &quot;see&quot; a forest, 3D in a camera can help a lot with taking pictures, but I wonder if there are not other elements also that we forest lovers &quot;see,&quot; but which I don't know how to talk about.  There may be more than &quot;depth of field&quot; and &quot;perspective&quot; involved.  In the end, I would guess that much of what we find so beautiful in a forest simply can't be captured in any kind of photograph.<br /><br />   Anyway, Ansel Adams took what for me is perhaps the best forest photograph I know of. Of course, there must be others. I think I mentioned this photo before in the old Google Group.  It is of the Founders Grove in Humboldt Redwoods State Park.  You can google this and see a &quot;representation&quot; of the photo on the web.  Reproductions are for sale everywhere.  He achieved much of his success with this photo by having the trees &quot;backlighted,&quot; if I am using the proper term here--just a bit &quot;off angle.&quot;  This gives a feeling of depth, etc.  A simple thing, I guess, but in this photo the effect is brilliant. And there is no perspective distortion--I am not sure how he avoided that.  You redwood lovers out there should have this one.  I have it, 13&quot; by 17&quot;, on the wall in our &quot;office.&quot;  I see it every day.<br /><br />   --Gaines]]></description>
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            <title>Photography :: Re: Thoughts on Art and Photography :: Reply by edfrank</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[There really isn't a good copy of Ansel Adam's image from Humboldt online:<br /><br /><img src="http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/L12185669.jpg" alt="Image" class="reimg" onload="reimg(this);" onerror="reimg(this);" /><br /><br />Here is one example:  <a href="http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Redwoods-Founders-Grove-Posters_i3845892_.htm" class="postlink">http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Redwoods-Founders-Grove-Posters_i3845892_.htm</a>]]></description>
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            <title>Photography :: Types of Tree Photographs :: Author edfrank</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<span style="font-size: 150%; line-height: 116%;">Types of Tree Photographs</span><br /><br />There are many different ways to photograph trees, and these ways tend to fall in one of several general categories.  I am writing here in terms of a cataloguer of photography, rather than from the perspective of a photographer, although I times I do tend to give in to my delusions of adequacy in the field.  <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">1)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">Base of Tree:</span>  <img src="http://www.nativetreesociety.org/events/summit2007/25.jpg" alt="Image" class="reimg" onload="reimg(this);" onerror="reimg(this);" />  Photographs of the base of a tree are a common form.  These should have something or someone in the same general plane as the tree to provide a scale to see the size of the tree trunk and show the base of the tree growing from the ground surface.  Without something for scale, the viewer cannot tell if it is a really fat tree or simply a closer view of a skinny one.   The photograph may include anywhere from a few feet of the base of the tree to a fair portion of the lower trunk.  <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">2)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">Entire tree from a distance</span>:  Trees can be photographed from a distance so that the entire tree can be seen.  This is an excellent way to take a portrait of single open grown trees with large crown spreads, for trees growing in the forest – not so much.  Typically you can’t get far enough away in a forest setting to get a complete shot of the entire tree.  These trees also are often tall with a narrow spread and do not look impressive from a distance.  The advantage it that there is little perspective distortion for shots taken from a distances.<br /><br />       <span style="font-weight: bold">a.</span> Miles Lowry provides an example of a variation of this shot. <a href="http://www.nativetreesociety.org/photography/index_photo.htm" class="postlink">http://www.nativetreesociety.org/photography/index_photo.htm</a>    He writes:  “My images of both forests and savannas are made of various combinations of square images captured with my medium format Hasselblad. I use old style film. After developing it chemically, I scan the negative and improve the images digitally. Instead of hiding the dark film edges when I combine the images in Photoshop, I emphasize them. “  Some of his work is shown on the ENTS  website:  <a href="http://www.nativetreesociety.org/photography/lowry/miles_lowry.htm" class="postlink">http://www.nativetreesociety.org/photography/lowry/miles_lowry.htm</a>  <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">3)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">Crown views:</span>  Upward looking shots of the crown of a single tree or groups of trees.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">4)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">Up along the trunk to the crown:</span>  In this type of shot the camera is placed very close to the trun of the trees so that the view framed extends up the trunk and into the crown.  Depending on whether a wide angle,, normal, or telephoto focal length is used changes the perspective of the image<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">5)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">Vertical panoramas of the trunk:</span>  <img src="http://www.nativetreesociety.org/events/summit2007/19.jpg" alt="Image" class="reimg" onload="reimg(this);" onerror="reimg(this);" />  These photos are created from a series of shots taken as the photographer tilts up from relatively near base of the tree to the crown of the tree.  They can then be stitched together manually or using photo-stitching software.  A similar effect is achieved using a wide angle lens.  The image can be cropped to emphasize the vertical nature of the shot.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">6)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">Views Across from other trees or elevation:</span>  <img src="http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/gsmnp/smokies01/record_spruce_cropped.jpg" alt="Image" class="reimg" onload="reimg(this);" onerror="reimg(this);" /> These are photographs taken from one tree across space to another.  If taken using a wide angle lens they have an unusual, but not objectionable characteristic, form barrel distortion in which both the top of the tree and the base of the tree appear to bend away from the viewer.  Another approach to this type of photograph is taken by James Balog in his book “Tree: A New Vision of the American Forests” in which a series of photographs are taken looking horizontally from one tree to another at different heights to make a panorama without the distortion from tilting the camera.  The background behind the tree in each image does not form a continuous image, but the trunk of the tree does.  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/0760762163/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all" class="postlink">http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/0760762163/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_all</a> <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">7)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">From the top looking down</span>  <img src="http://www.nativetreesociety.org/events/summit2007/13.jpg" alt="Image" class="reimg" onload="reimg(this);" onerror="reimg(this);" /> This is an unusual perspective in that most people to not see trees from the top looking down – this is a view achieved by tree climbers. There is the intimacy of the branches and trunk near the photographer and receding away as trunk reaches the ground.  Some similar effects can be seen when shooting straight down from a high cliff, bridge or other elevated position above the tree.  <br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold">8)</span>	<span style="font-weight: bold">Tree details:</span>  Shots of particular details of branches, leaves, fruit, bark, and other details.<br /><br />examples show above are photos by Will Blozan<br /><br />.]]></description>
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